Meet the New York Couple Who Teaches People About the Mysteries of Sex for $600 an Hour

Rob and Bianca (not their real names) met in Atlantic City about nine years ago, where she was seeing David Copperfield with her mom and he was participating in a bodybuilding competition. At first, Bianca thought her future beau was a player, given that he was surrounded by meathead friends who were prone to crude jokes.

“It was like the Adonis gods were kind of shining on me for whatever reason that day, and every girl was like looking at me, and talking to me, and suddenly this one girl was not,” Rob says of his sudden infatuation.

Despite the minor hiccup, the two fell deeply in love relatively quickly. Bianca visited New York for about a month, and decided to move in right afterward. Their sex life at the time, they told me, was extremely active. But they didn’t realize that it was vanilla until they had a wine-fueled dinner with friends during which the topic of conversation turned to sexual adventurousness. Basically, Rob and Bianca found out they were pretty boring when it came to boning.

That conversation led to them becoming an escort tag-team, which led to them “sex coaching” men who weren’t getting the sex they wanted. As Bianca put it in the New York Post earlier this week, “We might not be formally trained sex therapists, but—as a kinky couple who enjoy opening up our sex life to others—we’ve got a lot to offer.”

I called them up on the phone to ask how exactly they went from the most boring couple at a party to “The Taboo Couple,” and what exactly qualifies them to teach other people how to fuck good.

VICE: When you were doing escort stuff, who were your typical customers? Was it usually men with bisexual fantasies, or people who had voyeuristic fantasies and wanted to watch a couple have sex?
Rob: They were primarily heterosexual males, executives, professionals, masters of their own little universes. They would come to us because their fantasies were ones that they could not reveal to their equally professional wives, or whatever. These are heterosexual males, but they had bisexual fantasies. I was open-minded enough to help them explore that. It was just equally as revealing to me as it was to them to have those experiences we had.

And when you coach, what do people typically need the most help with? Is there a specific act that they seek your help for?
Bianca: Communication, actually—how to communicate with their wives. That’s the biggest thing they have a problem with, communication.

Rob: If you Google “pornification,” pornification is a sociological term that defines what’s happening with society where sexual content is so mainstream. A lot of men—women too—watch porn, and when you watch pornography, you develop these certain fantasies. If somebody watches a certain genre of porn and it turns them on, there’s a lack of communication between these people and their partners. And so they need a release for it, and that’s why they would go out and seek [from] people like us, or anyone else. So we wanted to change that. We wanted to help them communicate [by saying], “Why don’t you just find a way to smoothly communicate with your partner what your fantasy is?” We’ve got virgins who would come to us to learn how to kiss, how to perform oral—

Bianca: How to talk to a girl.

Rob: I would help them with that as well—we have a lot of virgins in their 20s, they’re nervous, they’re not confident, so we’d help build their confidence. She in how to please a woman, and I in how to approach a woman. Does that make sense?

“It doesn’t hurt that I’m an expert cocksman.” –Rob

Yeah, that makes perfect sense.
Bianca: Sometimes we disagree, so it’s good to have it both ways.

Rob: Imagine the value of having both perspectives of things, where you’re not just hearing it from a woman—

Bianca: He can give advice on things and I say, “You know what? I don’t think so, I think you should do a little more this way,” and then both pieces of advice get mushed together, and that’s what makes it perfect.

Rob: It doesn’t hurt that I’m an expert cocksman.

So do people come to you specifically and say, “I want a one-off lesson on how to go down on a woman,” or something like that? Or do they come to you and you have like a weeklong class, where you cover a bunch of different topics? How does it work?
Rob: We’ve had moments where someone just wants to learn a specific thing. For example, someone’s girlfriend or wife specifically liked oral, and this person just consistently performed badly, and we together have taught him how to perfect his rhythm. And then I would teach, when it wasn’t an oral issue, an issue of I guess technique, in terms of maybe angling the body a certain way. I would teach him, “Look, sometimes the penis has to—just the same as there’s a G-spot, you have to angle your penis a certain way.” Or you have to think of logistics, like, “OK, if I angle her this way, then my penis is touching that, and blah blah blah.”

Bianca: And each woman has her own style, and I teach them how to find the G-spot.

Rob: It’s all about body language. A lot of guys just figure, “OK, I’m just going to lick, or just pound away.”

Bianca: A lot of women, they don’t like to give a blowjob, and I was shocked about that actually. I have a Facebook page, and I also have a blog. And I send a lot of emails, and I talk to all of [the people who contact me.] And that stuff I do for free, because I see how much people fulfill me. I’m helping. I look at emails that say, “I think my wife is disgusted by it.” And the women say, “I don’t like it, I think it’s disgusting, I don’t like the taste.” And I have to explain about [if] you love your husband, how to love his cock.

“You have to think of logistics, like, ‘OK, if I angle her this way, then my penis is touching that, and blah blah blah.’” –Rob

Do you ever have them actually practice oral sex on like a dildo or a fleshlight or something?
Rob: We also do have physical consultations where we have a prosthetic vagina, which we’ll teach someone, or even a doll, that type of thing. We have a series of props that work really well. Sometimes it’s comic, depending on how you look at it, but it works.

Bianca: One woman, she’s in Switzerland and she can’t come here so we do a Skype call, and she got her own dildo. So I’m looking at her, she’s looking at me, and she’s imitating me with the dildo.

Rob: And meanwhile, I’m in the back masturbating, watching these two women—no, I’m kidding!

So a 20-year-old kid could come pay you to watch him fuck a blow-up doll and then evaluate the technique and tell him what he could have done differently?
Rob: Well, a 20-year-old kid… No, no, we do have standards. We are contacted by youngins, [but] Bianca’s 28, she’ll be 29 in a few months, and I’m 35—we don’t even entertain it, we just tell them, “Thank you for contacting us, but I think you still have a way to explore in your own way.”

Bianca: I’m very careful what I talk about with them because they’re not really mature. So we don’t want to confuse them.

Rob: The moment that a kid says, “I just want to fuck a bunch of bitches,” I immediately cut him off. Go to your frat parties bud, you’re not trying to change your life, you just want to be a stud. That’s not what we do.

So say a 30-year-old guy comes in and says he wants to learn how to fuck, and you evaluate him, you give him feedback. What does that cost?
Rob: Our rate varies. Typically, our sessions run for about an hour, and we charge $600 for our time. But it varies. If it’s over the phone it’s $300, if it’s Skype, it’s $300. If it’s physically, where we have to set up props and whatnot—

Bianca: And some people buy more hours, things like that.

Rob: If, for example, someone determines that after we talk they’re going to need more than just one thing, then we have little package deals, if that makes sense. As a personal trainer, I know the package deal world. So prices vary, I guess is the best answer.

There are a lot of people out there who think that they’re good in bed when they’re not necessarily that great in bed. What makes you qualified to teach other people about sex?
Rob: Here’s a fun fact: two of the top sexologists, literally the top sexologists in the country, they’re both male, they’re both doctors, they have PhDs in sexology and whatnot, we talk to them regularly. When they first heard of us, and we talked via Skype, they were shocked, and even admitted themselves—mind you, they don’t know one another, individually—they were like, “Look. There are certain things in life where seminars and the best schooling, the best teaching, it cannot teach it. It’s practical knowledge that would teach you how to perfect a certain thing.” And one of those things is sex. You can’t watch a seminar about sex and claim to be some expert on sex. You have to experience it yourself. We took the courses and laughed about the content. Our credentials are life experience.

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This interview has been edited and condensed for clarity.